Curse

abacusnx · May 05, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

My character is a E/Me and I've reached the part of the game where I need to beat the doppelganger in order to ascend. I have a fire build. I've lost about six times. What skills should I equip against the clone? What strategies do you suggest? Thanks.

Ira Blinks · May 05, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I recall simply nukin the hell out of poor guy on first attempt... maybe i was just lucky =\

Digital Starlight · May 05, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Meteor shower, flare, Aura of restoration, and a wabillion irrelevant mesmer craps like hex breaker shatter hex and crap.

Pick Me · May 05, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

I've beaten the clone a few times. As an elementalist, I used Meteor (didn't have meteor shower at the time), and a few earth attacks. I killed him with little life left. (I was a primary monk though).

I killed him by making him attack me with physical attacks with my mesmer. I was a N/Me, so I used hexes from my mesmer side and he killed himself.

My suggestion to you is bring ether feast, Blinding Flash, Armor of Frost, Armor of Mist, Blured Vision, Illusion of weakness, empathy, clumsiness, cry of frustration/power spike, and res signet.

If you don't have most of those spells, then use spirit of failure and spirit of shackles.

The main thing is not to attack. Max out on Air & Domination magic (if you can). With blinding flash and empathy, the clone will attack you and take damage per attack. Your clone will have 90% chance of missing, so you can be relatively safe. You can spam blinding flash and use empathy every so often. This may take a while, but you should be able to defeat your clone with most of your health in tact. Don't use restoration or disrupt any non-healing spell your clone uses. Ether Feast is for your own, and the other spells are for the clone to use and die by. Use illusion of weakness before you hit the last stone. Wait for full health. When the computer tries to use it, it will take damage that it can't recover from.

If you still need to fill in space, then use sig of capture, mantra of signets, Mantra of Persistance, mantra of inscription, or anything else that will not give the clone an advantage (ie: energy burn, backfire, etc.). After all, you won't need to attack, but you will need to cast.

Hope this helps.

Francis Crawford · May 05, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

I won in well under 20 seconds. Only two skills that I took were used by either side:

Backfire (maximum Domination)
Ice Spear (minimum Water Magic)

Sarphram · May 06, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

I was also a Fire E/Me when I got there...I think my build at the time was something like: Flame Burst (or Inferno), Flare, Fireball, Immolate, something...maybe Phoenix, Power Drain, Fire Attune, Rez Sig (yes, I didn't change my build from usual PvE, I was going to if I lost the 3rd time). I noticed a pattern to his attacks, we'd both start out by casting attune, then immolate, then fireball. Happened in all three battles, first two I kept casting and lost, third battle we both cast attune then immolate, and instead of following my immolate up with a fireball I cast power drain then fireball, and was ahead of him enough in health that I ended up beating him with another spell or two. Anyway, the point of that basically try looking for a pattern like that, and if he keeps doing it interrupt his highest damage spell.

Evilsod · May 06, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

*sigh* If you can't think of a method to remove your doppelganger from existance, just delete your frigging elementalist!

frickett · May 06, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

*sigh* If you can't think of a method to remove your doppelganger from existance, just delete your frigging elementalist!

oh, at least they are trying.

If i remember correctly, with my Mesmer/elementalist, I used empathy. But i didnt attack, I let him attack me constantly and strafed to dodge his attacks, I hope this helps.

p.s. I only had empathy at 12 (no runes or headgear that you cant use), so you can still do this with your ele/me.

Chilly Ress · May 07, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

.....cmon people

All you need are 2 skills-backfire and flare.....put all pts into dom and them put backfire on him asap and sit there, easiest way by FAR.

Francis Crawford · May 07, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by Chilly Ress

.....cmon people

All you need are 2 skills-backfire and flare.....put all pts into dom and them put backfire on him asap and sit there, easiest way by FAR.

EXACTLY what I suggested earlier -- except that I prefer(red) Ice Spear, since it does less damage than Flare for attribute levels of 0 or 1.

Actually, Flare probably kills him 1 second or so faster than Ice Spear, since the shooting starts earlier due to the greater spell range.

LightningHell · May 07, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

You could do 55 for fun, though.

dgb · May 07, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Iron mist + 7 fire skills... watch the doppleganger put IM on you and then laugh.

abacusnx · May 08, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I tired the ice spear and backfire. The doppleganger throws out ice spear and causes me -98 damage, while I can only get -10 off him. I cast backfire but I'm taking damage in the middle of it.

Pick Me · May 08, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Backfire means the more you cast the more damage you take.
The doppleganger only has the spells that you have. It doesn't mean it as the same weapons, armor, health, energy, or skill level that you do. Dopplegangers tend to have better weapons, armor, and skill level than you do (unless you cheat by getting a run to droks, getting awsome weapons from somewhere and then level up to 20+. Well it may not be cheating, but its not the way you are supposed to go).

If you don't take backfire, you can continually use blinding flash, empathy, and shakles. Max out domination magic (the most damage you can get), then air (blinding flash duration). Shakles is only for energy stealing, not that you really need it. Don't attack, because your doppleganger will do the same to you. So if you don't attack, he does, he takes damage and you take no damage at all.

I said this before, so you should try this since its clear that you would rather kill yourself in order to do maximum damage to the doppleganger. Unless you have good armor and are high level, you don't have the ability to protect yourself via Protection vs Elements. If you did then maybe you could go all out nuke for max damage. Slow dopple, meteor shower, trap to a corner, then slow again, then nuke repeatedly. Thats a way to go if you have lots of health and high end skills (as well as skill level).

Maria The Princess · May 08, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Backfire means the more you cast the more damage you take.
The doppleganger only has the spells that you have. It doesn't mean it as the same weapons, armor, health, energy, or skill level that you do. Dopplegangers tend to have better weapons, armor, and skill level than you do (unless you cheat by getting a run to droks, getting awsome weapons from somewhere and then level up to 20+. Well it may not be cheating, but its not the way you are supposed to go).

If you don't take backfire, you can continually use blinding flash, empathy, and shakles. Max out domination magic (the most damage you can get), then air (blinding flash duration). Shakles is only for energy stealing, not that you really need it. Don't attack, because your doppleganger will do the same to you. So if you don't attack, he does, he takes damage and you take no damage at all.

I said this before, so you should try this since its clear that you would rather kill yourself in order to do maximum damage to the doppleganger. Unless you have good armor and are high level, you don't have the ability to protect yourself via Protection vs Elements. If you did then maybe you could go all out nuke for max damage. Slow dopple, meteor shower, trap to a corner, then slow again, then nuke repeatedly. Thats a way to go if you have lots of health and high end skills (as well as skill level).

good 1

this is also what i did with my monk. i maxed domination, casted empathy and backfire on the dude, and filled the rest up with cheap and useless enchants, so he can cast more of them and faster.

after i casted the 2 spells, i went to pee, when i came back th job was done

kuwlij · May 09, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

LOL i done it with E/R in under 9 seconds.

1st load enchantments that take the longest to cast (enemy AI will cast those first before attacking) then when u enter the battle hit him with meteor shower and seering heat.. dead before the meteors finish

wilq · May 09, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Put points in domination magic, bring backfire plus 7 spells that won't do much dmg to you and watch him die.

I did it that way with my Mo/Me and he died in around 7 seconds.

abacusnx · May 10, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I used Pick Me's strategy and it worked out fine, thanks everyone for your input...

now I'm trying new builds thinking I should move away from being a fire ele, no clues on which other element would be ideal.

tuperwho · May 10, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by kuwlij

LOL i done it with E/R in under 9 seconds.

1st load enchantments that take the longest to cast (enemy AI will cast those first before attacking) then when u enter the battle hit him with meteor shower and seering heat.. dead before the meteors finish

This is esentially what I did. Hit him with AOE. He won't move from it, but you can. Meteor shower is pretty much game over.

teklys · May 11, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

I won in well under 20 seconds. Only two skills that I took were used by either side:

Backfire (maximum Domination)
Ice Spear (minimum Water Magic)

This is basically what I did too but with some Fire Magic spells. I dropped my Fire Magic attribute to 0, maxed out Domination loaded up 7 "useless" Fire spells and Backfire. Basically, let him cast himself to death and it didn't take long.